Q. So why do we need expensive vets for our pets. If the animal is cared for it will stay healthy until it gets old when it should be allowed to die a natural death same as it would in the wild. Or should we employ lots of vets to 'Treat' all the wild animals as well?
A. there are a few ways to look at this.
the first is that there were a lot less conditions/injuries that humans directly caused like dog fighting and such.
another is that they didnt. if you were an animal with a broken leg you were pretty much done do to "survival of the fittest" if you werent fit then you didnt survive.
and along the lines of the previous reason, diseases we see now in animals were wiped out because if they had an ailment then they didnt pass it on to the next generation.
the first is that there were a lot less conditions/injuries that humans directly caused like dog fighting and such.
another is that they didnt. if you were an animal with a broken leg you were pretty much done do to "survival of the fittest" if you werent fit then you didnt survive.
and along the lines of the previous reason, diseases we see now in animals were wiped out because if they had an ailment then they didnt pass it on to the next generation.
When did vets first start diagnosing navicular?
Q. About what time/year did vets discover and diagnose navicular syndrome/disease in horses? How was it originally treated, etc?
It would be a big help if anyone could direct me to professional/reliable websites containing this information. It's for a research report and I just can't seem to find it anywhere.
Thanks =]
It would be a big help if anyone could direct me to professional/reliable websites containing this information. It's for a research report and I just can't seem to find it anywhere.
Thanks =]
A. You have to scroll down a bit to come to it: http://chestofbooks.com/animals/horses/Diseases-Of-The-Horse-Foot/C-Navicular-Disease.html
I'm not familiar with this website, but the literature citations are clear and it's probably trustworthy.
FWIW, it's likely that navicular disease was known and recognized by horsemen earlier than the 1752 citation indicated in the website. Three factors kept it from appearing in the literature earlier: first, it wasn't until at least the 1700's that books became fairly accessible; mass printing of books required a sufficient demand to make printing profitable, and prior to the 1700's, there weren't many people who were literate and could afford to buy books.
Second, prior to about the 1800's at the earliest, there weren't veterinarians per se. There were people who were knowledgeable about horses and the things that could afflict them, but knowledge about horses wasn't considered the stuff of scholarly treatises. There were itinerant horse copers (dealers) who collected knowledge and remedies about horse illnesses and problems and used them in their trade, picking up horses they could patch together cheaply and sell for a profit, but the information these people possessed wasn't formally collected and published.
Third, most of the earliest references to navicular would most likely be in the form of mention in letters people wrote or in the hand-written records kept by people who bred and raised horses. The survival and discovery of this kind of information is mostly by chance and depends on someone somewhere along the line recognizing the significance of what's in the letter or other document and then drawing attention to the document to someone who publishes it.
I think it's pretty likely that although the earliest apparent mention of navicular disease was in the mid-1700's, it was actually pretty well known and familiar to horsemen much earlier, it's just that references to it haven't survived or haven't been recognized.
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BTW, for veterinarians to describe the disease, there first had to be veterinarians! We take it for granted that there have always been vets, but that isn't the case. This website gives some information on the early days of veterinary medicine as a formal academic discipline: http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/History1.html
I'm not familiar with this website, but the literature citations are clear and it's probably trustworthy.
FWIW, it's likely that navicular disease was known and recognized by horsemen earlier than the 1752 citation indicated in the website. Three factors kept it from appearing in the literature earlier: first, it wasn't until at least the 1700's that books became fairly accessible; mass printing of books required a sufficient demand to make printing profitable, and prior to the 1700's, there weren't many people who were literate and could afford to buy books.
Second, prior to about the 1800's at the earliest, there weren't veterinarians per se. There were people who were knowledgeable about horses and the things that could afflict them, but knowledge about horses wasn't considered the stuff of scholarly treatises. There were itinerant horse copers (dealers) who collected knowledge and remedies about horse illnesses and problems and used them in their trade, picking up horses they could patch together cheaply and sell for a profit, but the information these people possessed wasn't formally collected and published.
Third, most of the earliest references to navicular would most likely be in the form of mention in letters people wrote or in the hand-written records kept by people who bred and raised horses. The survival and discovery of this kind of information is mostly by chance and depends on someone somewhere along the line recognizing the significance of what's in the letter or other document and then drawing attention to the document to someone who publishes it.
I think it's pretty likely that although the earliest apparent mention of navicular disease was in the mid-1700's, it was actually pretty well known and familiar to horsemen much earlier, it's just that references to it haven't survived or haven't been recognized.
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BTW, for veterinarians to describe the disease, there first had to be veterinarians! We take it for granted that there have always been vets, but that isn't the case. This website gives some information on the early days of veterinary medicine as a formal academic discipline: http://animalpetdoctor.homestead.com/History1.html
What is the difference between a credit card and personal line of credit?
Q. I have just applied for a Wells Fargo Credit Card--I also have a checking account with them as well. Anyways, i was approved for a secured credit card of 800 dollars and denied a personal line of credit? I have to send them 300 dollars for collateral to get my card. Can someone explain this to me more thoroughly. Thank you.
A. Your best bet is to actually ask Wells Fargo.
Being a Banking industry vet, I can assume that what Wells Fargo terms a "personal line of credit" is actually an unsecured credit card.
You may not have enough credit or a low credit score, so they have offered you a secured credit card, i.e. one backed by some collateral (your $300) and most likely a higher rate of interest.
Hopefully after some time with responsible usage and on-time payments, they will reconsider.
Being a Banking industry vet, I can assume that what Wells Fargo terms a "personal line of credit" is actually an unsecured credit card.
You may not have enough credit or a low credit score, so they have offered you a secured credit card, i.e. one backed by some collateral (your $300) and most likely a higher rate of interest.
Hopefully after some time with responsible usage and on-time payments, they will reconsider.
Where does your vet give vaccinations at?
Q. I read on another forum that vets have started giving vaccinations in the legs (1 vaccination per leg) instead of the neck so if the dog develops cancer from the vaccinations they know which one it was.
I'd never heard this until today. My vet, and every vet I've used before, gives vaccinations in the dog's neck. Where does your vet give vaccinations?
It was just from a forum user that I heard it from.
I'd never heard this until today. My vet, and every vet I've used before, gives vaccinations in the dog's neck. Where does your vet give vaccinations?
It was just from a forum user that I heard it from.
A. GREAT question! While I have limited information about Caine vaccine protocols, but have provided a resource that discusses the low risk of Vaccine Asoociated Sarcomas in dogs) but I have given you the most recent information about cats, which may be the reason that dog owners are beginning to think differently about vaccine sites. There is a risk ( which, while vaccine manufacturers claim is about 1 or 2 in 10,000) for developing Vaccine Associated Sarcoma, cat breeders and fanciers feel that this reaction is vastly under-reported.
http://www.thecatsite.com/Health/225/VaccineAssociated-Sarcoma-In-Cats.html
To combat the risk of cats dying from this condition, veterianrians developed, working together,a protocol, while not diminishing the risk, makes it possible to treat more effectively and to be able to know precisely where each vaccine was injected.
http://www.cfa.org/articles/health/vaccination-guidelines.html#recommendations
It is no longer recommended that cats be injected at the scruff of the neck. This protocol has been recommended for many years now, as breeders and veterinarians work together in concert.
Since practitioners report that this reaction is extremely rare in dogs, the protocol for canines apparently has not changed as of yet. I would imagine that in the future, as research continues, that this may be considered down the line.
http://www.zzcat.com/TumorTidbits/Vaccination-Sarcomas-in-Dogs.txt
The reason that vaccines are given in the leg, actually, is that if a sarcoma develops, it is practical to amputate if necessary. Since this is a virulent and rapidly growing tumor, if it develops on the neck area, multiple surgeries are often required in cats, with a poor prognosis. In fact some veterinarians are injecting certain vaccines into the base of the tail, as tail amputations are far less drastic than legs.
I would discuss your concerns with your veterinarian, however. I was mortified last year, when questioning a local veterinarin ( in case of emergency) where he vaccinated, and he still uses the scruff for cats. Of course, I wouldn't ever use his practice since he obviously has not kept up with the research and is ignoring the AVMA's recommendations for felines.
Hope this helps!
Troublesniffer
Owned by cats for over 40 years
Former Siamese and Oriental Breeder
Freelance writer/blogger for http://www.petside.com
http://www.thecatsite.com/Health/225/VaccineAssociated-Sarcoma-In-Cats.html
To combat the risk of cats dying from this condition, veterianrians developed, working together,a protocol, while not diminishing the risk, makes it possible to treat more effectively and to be able to know precisely where each vaccine was injected.
http://www.cfa.org/articles/health/vaccination-guidelines.html#recommendations
It is no longer recommended that cats be injected at the scruff of the neck. This protocol has been recommended for many years now, as breeders and veterinarians work together in concert.
Since practitioners report that this reaction is extremely rare in dogs, the protocol for canines apparently has not changed as of yet. I would imagine that in the future, as research continues, that this may be considered down the line.
http://www.zzcat.com/TumorTidbits/Vaccination-Sarcomas-in-Dogs.txt
The reason that vaccines are given in the leg, actually, is that if a sarcoma develops, it is practical to amputate if necessary. Since this is a virulent and rapidly growing tumor, if it develops on the neck area, multiple surgeries are often required in cats, with a poor prognosis. In fact some veterinarians are injecting certain vaccines into the base of the tail, as tail amputations are far less drastic than legs.
I would discuss your concerns with your veterinarian, however. I was mortified last year, when questioning a local veterinarin ( in case of emergency) where he vaccinated, and he still uses the scruff for cats. Of course, I wouldn't ever use his practice since he obviously has not kept up with the research and is ignoring the AVMA's recommendations for felines.
Hope this helps!
Troublesniffer
Owned by cats for over 40 years
Former Siamese and Oriental Breeder
Freelance writer/blogger for http://www.petside.com
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